wellfan Posted June 3, 2024 Report Share Posted June 3, 2024 A few of you are making the point that you're okay with the likes of McGinn, SOD and potentially Mugabi re-signing, but only as squad players for the most part, which would still be ridiculous given how poor that defence performed as a unit over the season. One of them being offered a deal as an experienced backup would be tolerable, but all of them is a crazy approach. Furthermore, the more defensive spots offered to and accepted by first-team starters from last season, the fewer spots this leaves available to new potential first-team starters, which I am sure you will all agree are needed. The only spots currently available for a like-for-like replacement are Butcher's and Gent's. So, unless those noted above have accepted considerably reduced financial terms, which we'll never know, perhaps the plan is to double the defence budget from last season to make up for it being the worst-performing in the league. Unlikely. Therefore, I can't think of any other reason why Kettlewell has sought to retain as much of last season's defence as possible other than him being incapable of learning and/or stupid, or they've accepted pennies, which is unlikely. It's early days, but it looks like Kettlewell is already failing to address the main issues that affected the team last season, and he won't have an excuse if it comes back to bite his arse as the season progresses. And let's not forget that this isn't an isolated scenario with the defence, as we were crying out for a new centre-back in January, but we got a glut of wingbacks instead, one of whom never even played. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted June 3, 2024 Report Share Posted June 3, 2024 19 minutes ago, bobbybingo said: Maybe some sort of deal could be struck. The hard-ons agree not to gleefully poke fun at the critics if their criticism rises above shite and imposter. 'hard-ons' 'poke' 'rises' I see what you did there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yodo Posted June 3, 2024 Report Share Posted June 3, 2024 28 minutes ago, Spit_It_Out said: Exactly we need a squad and perfect squad player that's why I am not to bothered if big Bevis signs up again unfair hate from people week in week out for me he gave one of the best performances of the season from any player Vs Rangers at Ibrox last season. Still need to address the defence but Bevis is perfect squad player just like O'Donnell. So when the team gets announced will say S.Odonnel ( squad player ) Bevis Mugabe ( squad player) u bet it won’t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted June 3, 2024 Report Share Posted June 3, 2024 2 minutes ago, wellfan said: 'hard-ons' 'poke' 'rises' I see what you did there. I sincerely hope not.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted June 3, 2024 Report Share Posted June 3, 2024 There isn't really a thing as a squad player with the likes of us,most players will play a fair amount throughout the season,sadly as we seen last season some of them aren't upto the job but yet we seem happy enough to retain them,it's going to get worse if mugabi stays on.we will then have mugabi,mcginn,casey and blaney and the option of playing odonnell again at centre half,that's pretty grim and you would think doesn't leave much scope for other centre halves to arrive,I just hope the plan isn't relying on new wing backs and a keeper to be the answer to all our problems. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan97 Posted June 3, 2024 Report Share Posted June 3, 2024 Had a bid knocked back for Archie Davies from Dundalk. If he signed he would have been our third right back behind SOD and the Koutrombis boy we're signing. https://x.com/Record_Sport/status/1797649232847065592 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted June 3, 2024 Report Share Posted June 3, 2024 I can only assume there is coaching component to O'Donnell's role. He can coach the young defenders to turn 360 then fire a pass into oblivion. 🤔 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted June 3, 2024 Report Share Posted June 3, 2024 2 hours ago, MJC said: Disgusted about that. As well as being clearly past his best and slower than a week in jail he has been nothing but an imposter in our jersey for the last three years. Totally agree. Turns 360 then fires trademark pass into nowhere anytime I've seen him. It really showed difference when Devine played and the once I seen Montgomery. Showing how to be effective in that role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StAndrew7 Posted June 3, 2024 Report Share Posted June 3, 2024 36 minutes ago, wellfan97 said: Had a bid knocked back for Archie Davies from Dundalk. If he signed he would have been our third right back behind SOD and the Koutrombis boy we're signing. https://x.com/Record_Sport/status/1797649232847065592 I'm not convinced SODs will be playing at right back next season as anything other than an emergency back up if we sign the players we want to; he'll probably move inside to wide centre-back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted June 3, 2024 Report Share Posted June 3, 2024 10 minutes ago, robsterwood said: Totally agree. Turns 360 then fires trademark pass into nowhere anytime I've seen him. It really showed difference when Devine played and the once I seen Montgomery. Showing how to be effective in that role. I'm no fan of O'Donnell but Devine wasn't great either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan97 Posted June 3, 2024 Report Share Posted June 3, 2024 Easton signed a new 2 year deal at Raith puts an end to those rumours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StAndrew7 Posted June 3, 2024 Report Share Posted June 3, 2024 3 minutes ago, MelvinBragg said: I'm no fan of O'Donnell but Devine wasn't great either... I don't think I saw Devine do much of anything, other than for 20 minutes or so against Aberdeen at Pittodrie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron_Mcd Posted June 3, 2024 Report Share Posted June 3, 2024 Devine looked totally out of his depth. IIRC it was at Dens Park when Devine was abysmal in the first half and got subbed at half time, SOD came on and was considerably better. FWIW I'm not particularly a fan of SOD, some of the things said in previous pages are true but I get the feeling that this season will see move to centre half for him where he looked decent when he filled played there in December - January. I'm okay with him signing a contract, I'd probably have preferred it was just for 1 year rather than the 2 but we'll no doubt do worse businesses this summer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted June 3, 2024 Report Share Posted June 3, 2024 It is the start of June. Let's see what kind of squad we have come the league Cup section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StAndrew7 Posted June 3, 2024 Report Share Posted June 3, 2024 1 minute ago, grizzlyg said: It is the start of June. Let's see what kind of squad we have come the league Cup section. Stop talking sense, you. This thread is for losing your shit only. 😅 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted June 3, 2024 Report Share Posted June 3, 2024 As one of my mates said to me, if O'Donnell is the worst player we sign (re-sign) this summer then we'll be fine. If he's the best, we're fucked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted June 3, 2024 Report Share Posted June 3, 2024 18 minutes ago, StAndrew7 said: Stop talking sense, you. This thread is for losing your shit only. 😅 It's either talking sense or I start telling jokes.....I know what the consensus would be 🤣🤣🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yabba's Turd Posted June 3, 2024 Report Share Posted June 3, 2024 1 hour ago, grizzlyg said: It's either talking sense or I start telling jokes.....I know what the consensus would be 🤣🤣🤣 You tell jokes? Maybe you should start on here 😜 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted June 3, 2024 Report Share Posted June 3, 2024 2 hours ago, wellfan said: A few of you are making the point that you're okay with the likes of McGinn, SOD and potentially Mugabi re-signing, but only as squad players for the most part, which would still be ridiculous given how poor that defence performed as a unit over the season. One of them being offered a deal as an experienced backup would be tolerable, but all of them is a crazy approach. Furthermore, the more defensive spots offered to and accepted by first-team starters from last season, the fewer spots this leaves available to new potential first-team starters, which I am sure you will all agree are needed. The only spots currently available for a like-for-like replacement are Butcher's and Gent's. So, unless those noted above have accepted considerably reduced financial terms, which we'll never know, perhaps the plan is to double the defence budget from last season to make up for it being the worst-performing in the league. Unlikely. Therefore, I can't think of any other reason why Kettlewell has sought to retain as much of last season's defence as possible other than him being incapable of learning and/or stupid, or they've accepted pennies, which is unlikely. It's early days, but it looks like Kettlewell is already failing to address the main issues that affected the team last season, and he won't have an excuse if it comes back to bite his arse as the season progresses. And let's not forget that this isn't an isolated scenario with the defence, as we were crying out for a new centre-back in January, but we got a glut of wingbacks instead, one of whom never even played. You're spot on. From what's been shared we made offers to S'OD, McGinn, Butcher, Mugabi and OX . Keep doing the same thing and expecting different results is insanity. From the current defence the one guy we really want to sign is Gent, which we may be able to do depending where Bair is headed but none if it inspires confidence that SK knows what he's doing in the transfer market. I'm not worried about who we haven't signed but offering so many contracts to so many who have proven not to be consistent performers concerns me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted June 3, 2024 Report Share Posted June 3, 2024 4 hours ago, Throughthelaces said: I don’t mind O’Donnell being here as an option an experienced pro to guide young players and come off the bench if he is our starting full back next season I’ll be very disappointed. If he plays well I’ll be happy if he doesn’t I’ll be disappointed. Like every other player on our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted June 3, 2024 Report Share Posted June 3, 2024 2 hours ago, Cameron_Mcd said: FWIW I'm not particularly a fan of SOD, some of the things said in previous pages are true but I get the feeling that this season will see move to centre half for him where he looked decent when he filled played there....... Does that mean then, that McGinn, who has just signed a 2 year deal too, gets bumped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted June 3, 2024 Report Share Posted June 3, 2024 2 hours ago, wellfan97 said: Easton signed a new 2 year deal at Raith puts an end to those rumours. That suggests to me, that we weren't in for him at all. Agood Championship level player, his best days might possibly be past him at 30 years of age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted June 3, 2024 Report Share Posted June 3, 2024 15 minutes ago, wellgirl said: Bair. Gent. Two players that surely show Kettlewell does know what he's doing. Biereth too. Brodie Spencer. There's been plenty of positives in my view. As for Ox. He's an unknown quantity surely and we don't know yet whether he'd going to be number one or two. I know some people don't rate SOD but others do and some fans do rate McGinn and Bevis. Opinions on players don't always align with what people post on here or other forums. I agree with you there. Regarding The Ox, those that have said he must be shite because he couldn't get a game last season don't know what they're talking about. Him not getting a game was all about Kelly and his role within the squad which SK managed very well. The Ox might be shite, he might be decent but I'll give him until the end of the season to show us what he can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted June 3, 2024 Report Share Posted June 3, 2024 1 hour ago, wellgirl said: Someone on twitter is considering handing their seasons in for a refund because SOD has signed on again. Probably the same guy who boos him everytime he comes on the park. Don't understand why anyone would get so wound up about a player. Good riddance if he does give it up and one less a******e to put up with on social media. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted June 3, 2024 Report Share Posted June 3, 2024 1 hour ago, wellgirl said: Someone on twitter is considering handing their seasons in for a refund because SOD has signed on again. Being an arsehole is a fundamental requirement for the majority of X / twitter users, so no surprise there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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