smiddy Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 2 hours ago, well_said said: Dont expect the well society to comment about the Celtic support when one of their top men is very friendly with the green brigade. Well WTF is he on the board at the ws ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welly Machine Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 Too hacked off post last night. Thought we were the better team in the first half, they were for half an hour in the second then us again for the last 15. On the penalty, viewing from the Cooper, I first thought just another throw in to begin with then a free kick to us when there was a slight delay. Completely bewildered when the announcement was made for a VAR check but kept an open mind and thought might have been pretty clear given how quickly Beaton turned and pointed. On the drive home Sportsound going mental about it then watched Sportscene and various other sources since. You really can't explain why VAR got involved in the first place and when it did why Beaton didn't stick by his on field decision without thinking there is a serious problem with competence and/or weakness in decision making with the officiating. The fact Beaton was so quick to award it given how it doesn't seem at all clear whether any of the criteria to justify it are there, never mind there being any contact with the hand, leaves it open to all sorts of theories. May be just my biased viewpoint but I think there isn't any less proof Nicholson was fouled, looks to have taken elbow to the ribs in the challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mio Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 Not one person at the time in the stadium or the viewing public saw that as a penalty. No one person had a clue why the match had stopped. There was no clear or obvious error. There’s a list of about 20 other things to argue it’s not a penalty. beaton and nepo baby Dallas deserve every single bit of criticism and both should be banned from ever officiating any more senior games. It’s not a one off for either of them, both have been totally incompetent for years. And yes….. I’m still not over it 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 Article from the Daily Express which is pertinent to this discussion. I'm not one to get involved in politics on these pages, and make no comment but simply reposting an article. https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/snp-governments-strategic-partnership-sfa-37155095 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc88 Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 BBC gossip column stating the SFA are to back the decision on wednesday night. Unbelieveable, yet still so believable at the same time. Have not heard one person that isnt of a green bias agree with it. About to make scottish football even more of a laughing stock if true and it becomes official. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 They have to fudge some sort of justification. It would be completely unpalatable for them to admit an error, given the ramifications of the decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 9 hours ago, Kmcalpin said: Article from the Daily Express which is pertinent to this discussion. I'm not one to get involved in politics on these pages, and make no comment but simply reposting an article. https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/snp-governments-strategic-partnership-sfa-37155095 Happy to accept you have posted this in good faith, but not sure how an article from the Express helps the discourse? They are fervent anti SNP Brexiteers with an axe to grind. They also mention in the article that similar schemes are in place in Germany and the Netherlands. So what agenda are the governments / FA in those countries following? There are many faults in our game and with our government, but suggesting that there is some conspiracy between the SFA and SNP to ensure Celtic win the league (as the article does, not you personally) is some leap. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numpty Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 22 minutes ago, mfc88 said: BBC gossip column stating the SFA are to back the decision on wednesday night. Unbelieveable, yet still so believable at the same time. I mean, they kind of have to, and tbh I'm fine with that. Admitting an error that massively affects who wins your flagship competition would open a much bigger can of worms, both sporting and legal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc88 Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 10 minutes ago, numpty said: I mean, they kind of have to, and tbh I'm fine with that. Admitting an error that massively affects who wins your flagship competition would open a much bigger can of worms, both sporting and legal. Yeah can't disagree with that (although i'm not fine with it 😂). Its just... how? I appreciate i/ we will always be biased towards our team. But that put to one side, the national reaction to it, including down in england, is not like anything we've had up here for as long as i can remember and the overwhelming majority are saying it was wildly wrong. How can anyone have the brass neck to come out now and say it was right? Especially one who is in charge of a group of referees, none of which are selected for representing at a higher level. It's going to be an awful look. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 23 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said: Happy to accept you have posted this in good faith, but not sure how an article from the Express helps the discourse? They are fervent anti SNP Brexiteers with an axe to grind. They also mention in the article that similar schemes are in place in Germany and the Netherlands. So what agenda are the governments / FA in those countries following? There are many faults in our game and with our government, but suggesting that there is some conspiracy between the SFA and SNP to ensure Celtic win the league (as the article does, not you personally) is some leap. Step off yer soapbox. Its obvious the SNP are in league with the Celik. Their mps get freebies to attend Celik matches and even watch the games on the government I pads at our expense then ly about it.. No smoke without fire. 1 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 36 minutes ago, stv said: Step off yer soapbox. Its obvious the SNP are in league with the Celik. Their mps get freebies to attend Celik matches and even watch the games on the government I pads at our expense then ly about it.. No smoke without fire. Some people are so paranoid. It's football. Let's keep politics out of football. It sounds like you have another agenda. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 5 minutes ago, robsterwood said: Some people are so paranoid. It's football. Let's keep politics out of football. It sounds like you have another agenda. Sorry forgot the sarcastic emoji 😉. No hidden agenda here. Move along. Move along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFCL84 Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 Maybe needs a separate thread, but posted here because of the topical relevance. I feel that it is time for the Well Society and the club to call out the woeful state of officiating in the game. I don't expect that they could instigate any change by doing it alone, but should actively work with the other clubs within the league to put forward a case for change. Steelmen online no doubt has enough Well Society members to petition the society to ask that we try to get some form of cooperative movement from the clubs within the league to approach the football governing body about setting a plan for improvement. Any thoughts? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 56 minutes ago, stv said: Sorry forgot the sarcastic emoji 😉. No hidden agenda here. Move along. Move along. Lol sorry 😞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andalg Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 11 hours ago, Kmcalpin said: Article from the Daily Express which is pertinent to this discussion. I'm not one to get involved in politics on these pages, and make no comment but simply reposting an article. https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/snp-governments-strategic-partnership-sfa-37155095 You cant say your'e not getting involved in politics then post a link to the Express which is the most politically biased newspaper in the country ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villageman Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 13 hours ago, mio said: Not one person at the time in the stadium or the viewing public saw that as a penalty. No one person had a clue why the match had stopped. There was no clear or obvious error. There’s a list of about 20 other things to argue it’s not a penalty. beaton and nepo baby Dallas deserve every single bit of criticism and both should be banned from ever officiating any more senior games. It’s not a one off for either of them, both have been totally incompetent for years. And yes….. I’m still not over it Yes Its in the Dallas DNA. Beaton must be a 1st. cousin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 I am really disappointed in the Well Society didn't release anything at all about this to get the ball rolling its a bit too late now very very poor if you ask me ment to be to voice of the club but nothing not a peep. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 26 minutes ago, Spit_It_Out said: I am really disappointed in the Well Society didn't release anything at all about this to get the ball rolling its a bit too late now very very poor if you ask me ment to be to voice of the club but nothing not a peep. I"m OK with not releasing anything at this stage. I've never been a fan of the weekly "we're releasing a statement and demanding discussions with the SFA" missives from the OF. JBA has been pretty good at communicating the club's opinion on these matters. Of course, if you're a Well Society member and not happy with their current stance, no harm in contacting them to air your view and ask them if they plan to do anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mio Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 On a lighter note, I just saw a picture of our disabled section the other night and they have a banner saying “sit down and sing for Motherwell” kudos to them, outstanding banner 👍 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 2 hours ago, andalg said: You cant say your'e not getting involved in politics then post a link to the Express which is the most politically biased newspaper in the country ! I read a range of online newspapers from the Guardian to the National and the Telegraph. That doesn't mean to say I believe any or all of them. All have political bias to a degree. There has been talk on these boards of Celtic and conspiracy theories. This article reflects that to some degree. If other relevant articles appear in other rags then I would post them too. I do not post articles on politics per se and do not intend to. Not my thing. In general I'm healthily sceptical of all media sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxteth O'Grady Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/a-scottish-fa-statement/?rid=13929 I did wonder if something like this might happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 10 minutes ago, Toxteth O'Grady said: https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/a-scottish-fa-statement/?rid=13929 I did wonder if something like this might happen Sweep, sweep, the wagons have circled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 14 minutes ago, Toxteth O'Grady said: https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/a-scottish-fa-statement/?rid=13929 I did wonder if something like this might happen A problem entirely of their own making, i assume its not the Celtic fans allegedly harrassing Beaton, which is totally unacceprable under any circumstances. So why does Beaton keep getting Celtic games given the issues involving him. The statement condems everyone else but fails to mention any intention to resolve the main issue, ie incompetent match and Var officials continuously getting decisions wrong. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 3 minutes ago, Toxteth O'Grady said: https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/a-scottish-fa-statement/?rid=13929 I did wonder if something like this might happen That’s probably a big part of the issue. Referees get pressurized so much, dare i say it, by Celtic and Rangers, that their decisions are influenced by it, be that consciously or subconsciously. That might be considered as Mind games by the clubs but when it carries on over into their private life, family members and home, that crossing way over the line. not really sure what can be done about that as it is more a reflection of the dregs in our society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orinoco Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 That is one pathetic statement. Its ok for Celtic managers to speak directly with officials to criticise or openly question them live on tv, but pundits cant? Also banning pundits for saying what the majority think about standards. VAR decisions cant be subjective. Clear and Obvious!! Obviously threats to officials is so wrong. But remind me which clubs fans is most guilty of this and because of that these officials are now compelled to side with them at all costs because they dont want hassle. Several officials are known to he compromised by this yet keep getting put in charge of Celtic games. SFA is not fit for purpose. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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