twistandshout1983 Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, texanwellfan said: So when do we see the OF punishment for the scenes at cup game? Absolutely never , it is never going to happen of course . They are always hard done by they say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Dosser Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, texanwellfan said: So when do we see the OF punishment for the scenes at cup game? Any decade now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 I've said this on P&B but I don't see how they can say this is conclusive. The recordings aren't clear enough to say if there was any contact or not. I don't see how it's possible they can say something has been "proven". FWIW I don't think there was any contact and I really don't care about all this, other than my interest in how they decided it was dead cert there was no contact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellup83 Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 The SFA and referees have been shown up to be the incompetents we all know they are and as a result they've decided to go all out and make an example of Slattery. Was the playacting embarrassing? Yes. But any sort of simulation during a match is always met with a yellow card. Two games and two suspended is simply ridiculous and well over the top. It will be interesting to see if there is any consistency in the future regarding similar incidents. If not, I hope the club go completely to town on the ones responsible for policing it. And you know what? The intent from the st mirren boy was there whether Slattery made contact or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 13 minutes ago, wellup83 said: And you know what? The intent from the st mirren boy was there whether Slattery made contact or not. Yep, no idea why his red was overturned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 I'm all for this new era of holding folk to account for errors of judgement that are not in the best interests of Scottish football. Out of interest, does anyone know the last time a top level referee, assistant or VAR official was sanctioned by the SFA for such an error of judgement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orinoco Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 Youve got to wonder who pushed for Slattery to be cited. St Mirren? Surely the officials did not as it only highlights how bad they are! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 1 hour ago, Busta Nut said: I've said this on P&B but I don't see how they can say this is conclusive. The recordings aren't clear enough to say if there was any contact or not. I don't see how it's possible they can say something has been "proven". Agree 100% Busta. The club made this very same point at the initial hearing. The bottom line is that footage is inconclusive. The lack of contact was not proved beyond all reasonable doubt. The facts have been manipulated to suit a particular narrative and thats unsafe and downright wrong. Something doesn't smell right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 There’s a series of mistakes that have led to the punishment . Whoever initially thought there was contact was wrong . VAR made a chops of it . This has led to a disproportionate punishment . That being said I have zero sympathy for Slattery , there’s an element to his game thats quite embarrassing and hopefully this helps put and end to his nonsense . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 49 minutes ago, wellsince75 said: That being said I have zero sympathy for Slattery , there’s an element to his game thats quite embarrassing and hopefully this helps put and end to his nonsense . There is not a footballer on the planet current or historic that has not exaggerated a tackle, feigned injury, took a tumble to win a foul, penalty etc, its always been part of football and always will be. So lets not get all " holier than thou and sanctimonious" about Slattery. The questions that should be asked is when are the incompetent faceless clowns at the SFA etc going to be held accountable for the current shit show that is ruining Scottish football. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 9 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: There is not a footballer on the planet current or historic that has not exaggerated a tackle, feigned injury, took a tumble to win a foul, penalty etc, its always been part of football and always will be. So lets not get all " holier than thou and sanctimonious" about Slattery. The questions that should be asked is when are the incompetent faceless clowns at the SFA etc going to be held accountable for the current shit show that is ruining Scottish football. I don’t like that part of his game , never have and don’t see it being holier than now or sanctimonious . there’s plenty of honest pros who don’t dive an feign injury . I’d rather players just got on with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 15 minutes ago, wellsince75 said: I don’t like that part of his game , never have and don’t see it being holier than now or sanctimonious . there’s plenty of honest pros who don’t dive an feign injury . I’d rather players just got on with it A very naieve viewpoint but you are entitled to it, each to our own views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellon Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 37 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: There is not a footballer on the planet current or historic that has not exaggerated a tackle, feigned injury, took a tumble to win a foul, penalty etc, its always been part of football and always will be. So lets not get all " holier than thou and sanctimonious" about Slattery. The questions that should be asked is when are the incompetent faceless clowns at the SFA etc going to be held accountable for the current shit show that is ruining Scottish football. I think the difference here is a player was sent off, would potentially lose his place, bonuses etc...not too bothered about " winning" a foul in midfield etc , can be quite handy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 58 minutes ago, wellon said: I think the difference here is a player was sent off, would potentially lose his place, bonuses etc...not too bothered about " winning" a foul in midfield etc , can be quite handy. As Busta said above, King wasn't completely blameless. Whether contact was made or not, his red card should have stood, as the intent was there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 19 hours ago, Orinoco said: Youve got to wonder who pushed for Slattery to be cited. St Mirren? Surely the officials did not as it only highlights how bad they are! The lesser spotted SFA Referee's Compliance Officer. Nice to know they still exist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 29 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said: The lesser spotted SFA Referee's Compliance Officer. Nice to know they still exist! That then stems from media coverage. I used to think that the Compliance Officer's staff ploughed through every single minute on the previous weekends Premiership games, on a Monday. Not so. They simply homed in on the action that the media chose to highlight. If the media like you then all is fine if it doesn't then watch out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago Can we now expect Henry Cartwright of Falkirk to be cited by the compliance officer for bringing the game into disrepute by blatantly diving. If a penalty had been awarded, a player would have been sent off and the game could have been won by cheating. Will John McGlynn comment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 35 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said: Can we now expect Henry Cartwright of Falkirk to be cited by the compliance officer for bringing the game into disrepute by blatantly diving. If a penalty had been awarded, a player would have been sent off and the game could have been won by cheating. Will John McGlynn comment? Ah we shall wait and see but good point. Will the scottish media even bother there erse ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago He was dealt with on the pitch - 2nd booking and sent off. The compliance officer doesn't need to get involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 1 hour ago, Jonesy said: He was dealt with on the pitch - 2nd booking and sent off. The compliance officer doesn't need to get involved. But the bar has been set at a 4 game suspension for that kind of cheating, so that needs to be consistently applied now, no? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 38 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said: Can we now expect Henry Cartwright of Falkirk to be cited by the compliance officer for bringing the game into disrepute by blatantly diving. If a penalty had been awarded, a player would have been sent off and the game could have been won by cheating. Will John McGlynn comment? No we won't. Because the attempt to cheat was picked up at the time and dealt with properly. The referee and officials were not conned by Cartwright's attempt at cheating and there was no advantage gained by Falkirk. So in that respect it was nothing like the Slattery incident. Whether we like it or not, Slattery was dealt with as others have been who were found to have gained their club an advantage by cheating ( additional suspended 2 games aside). Plenty of examples. And not just with players of so called wee teams. Hearts and Rangers spring to mind. Nowadays VAR should mean that incidents are dealt with in game time, ensuring no retrospective bans. That is the real failing of the system as far as Slattery is concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago This should have the SFA sweating. The Falkirk player falls down holding his face with zero contact. https://x.com/HendrieAdam/status/2045497605694672915?s=20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 1 hour ago, dennyc said: No we won't. Because the attempt to cheat was picked up at the time and dealt with properly. The referee and officials were not conned by Cartwright's attempt at cheating and there was no advantage gained by Falkirk. So in that respect it was nothing like the Slattery incident. The linesman saw the Slattery incident and the video used by VAR was the same video that was reviewed by the SFA. If the 4 game ban was for Slattery's actions, then the same punishment should be handed out the every player that has been found to have behaved the same way. If the 4 game was purely because the officials on the field and the VAR review team got it wrong, then that isn't punishing the incident, it's an attempt to deflect from the incompetence of the officials. (and I say that as someone who criticised Slattery from the moment it happened). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 2 hours ago, FirParkCornerExile said: This should have the SFA sweating. The Falkirk player falls down holding his face with zero contact. https://x.com/HendrieAdam/status/2045497605694672915?s=20 Yes, it should indded. Ostensibly, very similar to the Callum Slattery incident and not dealt with on the field. Also recorded on TV. Clearly lessons have not been learnt. Will the media want to upset the Falkirk apple cart? Over to you SFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orinoco Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago SFA are to busy banning Michael Stewart from existing to bother about a Falkirk player. What he constantly states is what we all think. As ive said previously, professional football in this country is pathetically run by dinasours with a bowling club menatality. Premier sports should pull there funding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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